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Sparkus Volundar
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Posted - 2013.12.06 13:33:00 -
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It also boils down to whether or not a single bonus should lead to the following:
1x90% web: 4-times better than 1x60%.
2x90% web: 9-times better than 2x60%.
3x90% web: 12-times better than 3x60%.
4x90% web: 13-times better than 4x60%.
That doesn't look very Eve-like.
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Sparkus Volundar
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Posted - 2013.12.06 15:31:00 -
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Nag'o wrote:Sparkus Volundar wrote:It also boils down to whether or not a single bonus should lead to the following:
1x90% web: 4-times better than 1x60% (and basically the limit in effect that many stacked 60% webs reach).
2x90% web: 9-times better than 2x60%.
3x90% web: 12-times better than 3x60%.
4x90% web: 13-times better than 4x60%.
That doesn't look very Eve-like. 3+ webs on a single target is not very Eve-like. Alas, 1m/s is 13-times better than 13m/s at 0km distance only. If you want a real effect difference calculation put this on the turret tracking formula (missile speed effect is capped).
Setting aside the question of whether you're correct about "3+" webs or not, hopefully itGÇÖs clear to you that with 2 webs, the difference is unusually high. If youGÇÖre unable to conceptualise how these speed differences affect things across a range of hulls, turrets and engagement scenarios, the tracking formula will indeed be able to help.
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Sparkus Volundar
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Posted - 2013.12.08 12:11:00 -
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NightmareX wrote:
But i have given you the fully detailed arguments
They may be fully detailed but they've been based on very poor understandings of game mechanics, flailed all over the place in the face of the logic of others and in general, been a thoroughly entertaining to read.
I bet I'm not the only person that returns to this thread just to see what you write next.
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Sparkus Volundar
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Posted - 2013.12.08 14:19:00 -
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Let's take his amusing Bhaalgorn example with an Atron. "It has long ranged webs and neuts!!!111".
Atron goes 525 m/s and with a T2 AB on it, it goes 1382 m/s.
A perma-neuted (thus AB off) Atron with four 60% webs on it, whether from Bhaals or other ships, goes 55 m/s. An Atron using it's AB that is webbed by two 90% webs goes 30 m/s. Whether it was an Atron or some other ship, the ratio of the final speeds to each other would be the same.
In other words, a Vindi with two webs is offering almost twice the range control and aid to damage application to a Bhaal alongside four 60% webs. That's when we assume there are no neuts or other webs alongside the Vindi, which would make things even more in favour of the Vindi.
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Posted - 2013.12.08 23:36:00 -
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NightmareX wrote:A Curse is likely to use a scram as it can just sneaks in right on top of it's targets and will fight at close range.
I guess he means a Pilgrim, which the Vindi's mates will enjoy blapping off the field when Vindi-webbed almost as much as a Curse.
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Sparkus Volundar
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Posted - 2013.12.08 23:40:00 -
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6. There you go again, using bad piloting to buff the apparent performance of something else.
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Sparkus Volundar
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Posted - 2013.12.09 07:27:00 -
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NightmareX wrote:
And not to mention that we are talking about a pirate bonus that is supposed to be extremely powerfull. Those powerfull bonuses is what makes the pirate battleships to be a pirate ship. And extremely powerfull web strength is what makes the Vindicator to be a Vindicator.
Quote:ex-+treme-á-á(k-strm)adj.
1.-áMost remote in any direction; outermost or farthest:-áthe extreme edge of the field.
2.-áBeing in or attaining the greatest or highest degree; very intense:-áextreme pleasure; extreme pain.
3.-áExtending far beyond the norm:-áan extreme conservative.-áSee Synonyms at-áexcessive.
4.-áOf the greatest severity; drastic:-átook extreme measures to conserve fuel.
5.-áBiologya.-áCharacterized by severe, usually oxygen-poor environmental conditions.
b.-áHaving an affinity for such conditions:-áan extreme microorganism.
This cuts to the heart of the matter. You know the bonus is extreme but your concept of balance is different to other people's.
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